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Discipline – Revisited

I’m going to do my best to be quick on this one.  You see, in a couple of days my adorable husband and my sweet cherubs and I will all pile into a 2010 Chevy Equinox courtesy of GM.  We will embark on about a 9 hour drive to destination Mickey Mouse’s House.

gorgeous car

With that said, the Equinox is a courtesy afforded to us by GM.  There have been many others great companies that I’ve been fortunate enough to work with and you are going to hear about those as well.  But, the promise that my children will behave like angels?  That one just hasn’t happened yet.  And, I must admit, I’m nervous, very nervous. 

You see, I have met a few of the bloggers who will be at the conference and I am none to shy so I’m not worried about walking up to someone really famous and making a fool of myself.  That basically just means I’m a dork.  And, I have this nifty gifts for everyone courtesy of My Precious Kid to help with the safety of the time spent at Disney with everyone’s kids running around in a strange place and possibly without adequate supervision.

And that really tells the story doesn’t it.  My husband with both of my kids means that he is out numbered.  And, when he is out numbered by the children, there is inadequate supervision.  And, I admit, I’m a wee bit skeered.

But, what concerns me more is how my children behave in general and how they will interact with the children of other bloggers.  You see, even the bloggers that I would say I know “well” have no idea how I function within the confines of my family.  And, obviously that works the other way around.  But honestly, I’m not worried about how their kids behave because I’m too concerned about my own.

What if, just hypothetically speaking here, what if you met me last year at a conference and by some off-the-wall chance, you liked me.  And, if you were at the right conference, you had the opportunity to meet my husband.  And, maybe, just maybe you liked him.  But, even then, you only saw the two of us interact minimally.

So, you like me, we’ve established that, hypothetically anyway.  You thought my husband was nice enough, and he is. And then you meet me in Orlando?  Let’s say, hypothetically speaking that we run into one another in the lobby of the Polynesian Resort.

First of all, I’ve never been there, so I have no clue what the lobby looks like.  But, that’s not what I’m about here anyway.  Let’s say we have an encounter in the lobby, and my kid’s are like hanging from the ceiling fans by their underwear and encouraging other children to pick a blade and start swinging so they can keep the fans balanced?

Or, what if they are like unscrewing all the light bulbs in the lamps in the lobby?  Or maybe they are just unplugging them all?  What if they decide that a gorgeous water fall is going to make an excellent wading pool? 

What then?  How do I cope?  Will you hate me forever?  Are you going to run from during the sessions although the curtain climbers will be safely tucked away tormenting their father? 

Please do not hold their behavior against me.  Please.  And, if you can promise not to hold their ceiling fan antics or water fall bathing, please comment so I at least know who I can turn to in a time of need.  Worst case scenario, I’m putting temporary safety bracelets on them and putting their names on them “Sasha Obama”  & “Malia Obama”. 

What?  I know …shhhhhhhhhhh

10 Things that Make me Angry

1.  My husband complains because our kids are terrors when it comes to keeping things organized.  He is worse than they are and probably ever will be.

2.  My husband complains because our kids complain, whine and huff.  Most of the time when I ask him to do things, he huffs and usually doesn’t do it anyway.

3.  My husband tells our kids that he is tired of hearing them talk smart-alec to him.  He is a smart alec in almost every thing he says.  He is very cynical when it comes to the kids.

4.  My husband forces the boys to let him wash and scrub their faces yet when it comes to getting water on his face, he hates it.  He washes his own face although he won’t shave but once a week or sometimes not even that.

5.  He forces the kids to pick up all their “things” in the family room every night.  But he rarely ever picks his own collage of junk up that “lives” in the family room.

Ok, I did 5 instead of 10 but that’s just because those 5 make me sick to my stomach and I couldn’t go on.

Let’s talk about Stubborn Ok? Part Four

I know that part of what ails my four year old is that he has his grandmother’s stubborn disposition.  This is a quote from me from one of the four parts of this saga…

“I didn’t speak to him.  When we arrived home I sent him to his toy room and made him stay for over an hour.”

My mother is the Queen of the silent treatment.  Not me, I have too much to say to give someone the silent treatment for very long or very often.  But my mother, she would get mad at me for something and not speak to me for 2 or 3 days  She has done that in my adult life many times as well.  She simply doesn’t approve of something I’ve done, and she quits calling, she doesn’t come around, nothing.  She can go a long time at that rate too.

Once when I was young, probably in the neighborhood of 10, she and her then husband got into an argument.  And, he earned “the silent treatment”.  Here’s the wonky part, they lived in same house, slept in same bed, she cooked meals like nothing was wrong, she done everything just like  nothing was wrong…except she simply did not speak one word to him.

Ok, so big deal you say, that happens all the time with couples.  Well, here’s the extra wonky part…..she did this for SIX FREAKIN’ WEEKS.  I am not kidding, for 6 weeks she gave someone in the same house, same bed, same meal table the silent treatment.

So, when she complains about Mini Me and calls him stubborn, I simply start a rant about “pots calling kettles black” and she backs down.  But, I thought it might help explain to you guys where Mini Me got the stubborn gene.

I always said I would not do that to my kids.  I was miserable when she would go days without speaking to me.  And, I swore I wasn’t going to do that to my children.  But, the fits he is throwing as of late, I have to just not say anything to keep from going over board.

jace gets kisses

More ‘splainin’ Part Three

Don’t get me wrong, I love the little slobbery, stubborn kid to death.  But, breakdowns, like this morning, over nothing, just seems so out of the norm for a 4 year old.  Here’s how this morning played out..

We got up on time, I got cereal fixed and he starts immediately refusing to eat.  I don’t insist.  I know he will eat when he is hungry.  I get Ditto Boy’s clothes out, then I get Mini Me’s clothes out too.  I have no idea exactly when it turned sour but I had to forcibly put his shirt, pants, socks and shoes on him.  Then, while I was getting his coat, which I had to force on him as well (it was in the 30’s outside), he started screaming and yelling at me.  He flopped in the floor and was spinning in circles like he was break dancing.  And, through all of this, he kicked his shoes off.  I put his coat on him and said, “fine, we are leaving”.  He ended up walking to the truck in some 30 degree weather without any shoes.  He screamed and hollered for the biggest part of the 6 miles to school.  I didn’t speak to him.  When we arrived home I sent him to his toy room and made him stay for over an hour.

I know some of you are thinking it is an issue of discipline or respect.  But, he has been punished, he has been rewarded for the good, we have a sticker chart with goals and rewards.  He simply doesn’t seem to get it.

When it was time to go pick Ditto Boy up from school.  You can basically take the above quote and later rinse and repeat.

He wouldn’t put the pants on that he had been wearing prior to nap because he said they were wet.  He went to the bedroom and returned with 2 pair of nylon pants.  He put both pair of nylon pants on after he changed his pull-up.  I handed him his socks and he took them to the hamper because “they are dirty” even though he had only worn them briefly this morning….well, they may have been wet since he didn’t have on shoes.  Anyway, he wouldn’t go get clean ones, so I told him to just get his shoes.  He wanted his crocs but couldn’t find but one.  This brought on the fall in the floor break dancing spin.  I told him to get his tennis shoes.  He wanted his play shoes.  I said fine.  He got them and then demanded that I put them on.  I wouldn’t do it until he asked nicely.  Time was wasting and we didn’t have time on our side by this point.

Once he half way asked nicely, I started putting the shoes on him and we had the sock argument again.  I made him wear the shoes anyway.  This caused another fit.  I went toward the door and when I turned to close it and lock it, he was right behind me.  Again, he screamed a better part of the trip to school.  He removed his shoes before we got home and came inside barefoot.

Now, again, I know this is just yelling “discipline him goofy woman, discipline him and quit complaining”.  The thing is, there’s very little that gets his attention.  He does better for Boy Genius than for me, well, heck, that’s an understatement, he does 100% better for him.  But, Boy Genius rides him like a thorough-bred.  It makes me crazy.  But, it works.

And, because it works, I guess I basically have my answer.  My husband knew that I had been through the mill today so he suggested that I go to the store tonight alone and he would help the boys clean up the toy room.  I jumped at the chance.  When I returned, Boy Genius informs me that the kid was fine the whole time he was gone.

Mini Me wanted to get in bed with Boy Genius about 2 and a half hours ago.  Then, 15 minutes later he wanted to sleep on the floor in the hall.  I said no.  Then he wanted to sleep on the sofa.  I said fine.  Then he needed a pillow and a blanket and then wanted to sleep in the floor.  He was doing anything to just stay awake.

Fast forward to about 30 minutes ago, he went to bed under the premise that  I would rub his back when I went to bed.  I agreed.  He stayed in bed with Boy Genius about 5 minutes and was back to family room.  On the sofa in the floor, you name it, he stalled with that tactic.

And, then, I told him point blank, you have 3 choices, get in your bed, in bed with dad or on the sofa.  And, he lost it.  He lost his temper and started to scream uncontrollably at me, just like the two previous times today.  Within seconds Boy Genius was at the door.  He scolded him for screaming and made him go to bed with him.

jace at breakfast

So, in summary…

1.  The potty issue  – from every aspect, the refusal to talk about it, the refusal to even try to wear underwear, his refusal to even get near the potty (big one or his), his complete and utter defiance in this area.

Doesn’t that scream problem when he is 4 years old and doing this?

2.  The fact that he is so defiant.

Doesn’t that seem odd for a 4 year old to be so totally whacked out by every little thing.  I mean, he will pick something that he knows will cause and argument just for argument’s sake.  Did you read this?  This is what I mean.

Is that normal between siblings?  My husband and I are both only children and it is making us nuts.

3.  He loses his cool really quickly and is quickly out of control.  His impulse control in the temper department is out of whack.  His impulse control isn’t necessarily out of whack in other areas.  He plays well and shares fine..unless…he just hits that mark.

Isn’t he a little young for the “hot head” syndrome?

4.  Discipline methods work, but only and I mean this ONLY after he has been punished multiple times in a very short period of time.  A good example of this, he gets in trouble for doing X and he is sent to his room for time-out.  He screams like a banshee while he is in there.  Boy Genius goes in, talks to him and demands that he quit screaming.  Mini Me slams doors, kicks walls, and screams at Boy Genius as he is leaving the room.  Boy Genius returns and spanks him.  This evokes more screaming, more kicking, more flailing.  Eventually he quits crying and will come to the end of the hall with his head down and say in a very quite voice, “can I come back in here and play?”

After he is allowed to return to play, he may or may not make it to play for a short period of time and it might be hours.  But, regardless, when he does something wrong, he is sent to his room and we go through the same scenario over and over.

So, do you think we could have bigger issues here?  Bigger problems?  Or just a stubborn and defiant and disobedient child who requires more attention to details of his behavior?

I’m at a loss ya’ll, really, I don’t know which way to turn.  Honestly, I’m giving this until I get back from Blissdom and if I have seen no change, I am making him an appointment with the psychiatrist that Ditto Boy saw when he was 3 for his wild active mannerisms.

In the meantime, I turn to the real professionals, the mommy’s out there….you tell me, what do you think?  What would you do?

Boy Genius had no idea that he ever screamed like that.  So, are you all still in agreement that it is just that I have to come down harder on him?

Consider this and let me know what you think?

I’m still ‘splainin’ Part Two

So, in the last post, I asked for your advice about how to handle the potty training.  And, I’m not looking for more tactics.  I’m looking for something deeper, something more in depth.  So…

Would you resort to the plan of spending the day in the bathroom with him until he sits on the potty, blocking his way out and locking up the pull-ups.  Here’s a suggestion from a reader.

Take a day and DO NOT LEAVE THE HOUSE

get a HUGE pile of books from the library

camp out in the bathroom – DO NOT LEAVE THE BATHROOM FOR ANY REASON

Do not bring anything but books into the bathroom – no toys

bring something for you to read

Tell him that if he sits on his potty sans clothes, you’ll read out loud to him, but otherwise you’ll read to yourself.

Sit with your back to the door, so he can’t run out

stay there

repeat for a few days

and another one who suggested…

aside of a ped/ psych eval….my best suggestion….assuming nothing medically is wrong…

1. put the pullups under lock and key…literally….there will be no sneaking! 1 pullup a night for sleep..although mine was dry at night before i even tried to train. (Nothing to drink 2 hrs b4 bed)

2. take a day….and go cold turkey….it’s underwear/training and plastic pants. plan on several days w/o leaving the house.

3. He doesn’t wear the above…..he gets nothing…and mean it…no tv, no toys, no nothing – not even food. To get anything…he has to wear the above. This is not up for negotiation!

4. once an hour..he sits on the potty…1st in clothes, than naked but…see above.

5. He sits, he gets a rewards…once sitting is established, he pees/poops he gets reward. Reading on the pot is good to give him something positive,

6. He has an accident…he cleans it up. (to the best of his ability.)

7. If you must leave the house (to take other child to school?) He’s in plastic pants, sits on the potty b4 and after trip, and keep trip as short as possible.

Good luck, it seems you have quite a willful child there…but you can make it so he has no choice…it’s training pants for you buster!

just laying in snow

What would you do?  Would you try the above strategies?  Would it matter to you that I feel like there is a deeper issue and that I am going to cause him stress for the long term if I try these methods?  I don’t know what I think could be wrong with him but he really has been a difficult child in his 4 years.

So, first of all, I think I have some ‘splainin’ to do


I woke up in a fairly decent mood.  Little did I know that the Mini Me wasn’t going to wake up in such a pleasant mood.  When I was writing this post in my head earlier while driving (and tweeting and eating – all at the same time), I was going to make it funny.  But, the fact of the matter is, there is nothing funny about it.  There is absolutely nothing funny about the manner in which my four year old behaves.

I’ve reached a point with him where I am ready to investigate options of having him tested.  I’m going to quote some bits and pieces from another blog so as not to retype the whole thing.  Don’t give up on the post there if some of it you already know about the potty training issues, but I want to add some details at the end and then of course, ask for advice.

Just for background, this discussion is about my 4 year old, Mini Me (Jace).  The subject is really his attitude, his behavior, is outlook, his stubbornness.  I have a couple of ideas and reasons for why I think things are happening like they are, but I want to throw you the bone, I’ll help fetch it later.  If you read my tweets today, you know that I was stressing and I mean seriously stressing.

Here are the pieces and parts of the post/email from an earlier date.

As for his potty training.  I don’t discuss it anymore.  I will only go to the doctor because “I” feel there might be an issue.  People have been pushing me for a year to take him.  I would hire teachers at the daycare who would say, “I have 4 boys at home, I can potty train him” and about 2 months later, they would say, “have you considered taking him to the doctor”.

And, then there’s more…

“….we’ve tried all the tactics that every single person in the world has recommended.  He picked out some cool underwear about 9 months ago, they sit on top of the fridge, they are suppose to taunt him into going to the potty.  He can have them when he has gone one week during the day and stayed dry.  They are growing dust bunnies.  I let him pick out a huge bag of candy.  I put a bowl on top of the fridge beside the candy (and the underwear) and told him that every time he used the potty, he could put one piece of candy in the bowl and after supper he could have ALL THE CANDY IN THE BOWL.  He has yet to get one piece.  We have a sticker chart we use that I started because they wouldn’t sleep in their beds.  It worked for that, but he has yet to earn one sticker for pottying….in 3 months…not one sticker.
I bought some plastic pants like you put over cloth diapers.  But, that only works if you can get the underwear and plastic pants on him.  So, what does he do?  He sneaks every morning and gets him a pull-up while I”m getting other stuff ready for school and…….then he will sneak and change it without my knowing.  The only time we’ve been successful is when he has poopy pants and then we can force the underwear and plastic pants on him afterwards.   But as soon as we turn our backs, he has sneaked and put on a pull-up.
So, common sense says, “don’t buy pull-ups” but even the 5 year old has to have them at night and if we don’t buy daytime pull-ups, the kid will sneak and put on night time ones to keep from wearing underwear.  He has no issues what so ever at bath time with taking his clothes off and running around naked yelling, “see my booty, my naked booty” (oops, that was my fault and my husband hates me for it) but he will not even get near the toilet.  My mom bought him a potty chair, he wears it on his head and absolutely refuses to even sit on it with his clothes on.  Our doctor suggested that last summer we should let him pee on the grass.  Ha, good one, he won’t let anyone near him to pull his pants down.

And, then there’s this….

I’ve also had another philosophy for sometime and it is something that kept me sane when they were newborns, that is, “You can’t control when they eat (what yes, but when, nope), you can’t control when they sleep (or how long or how long it takes them to go to sleep) and you can’t control when they poop.
And, in this case, I honestly can’t control when he pee’s either.

Another suggestion came like this…

My mom suggested that “30 years ago they would have spanked his bottom for wetting or pooping in his clothes” and I said, “yes but is that necessary?  I might have to eventually do that but right now, I’m not”  to which my mom replied, “well, that’s fine, but if you decide to do that, don’t do it in front of me”

Now, a few extra issues that I want to add in here for some thought…

1.  I did potty train between the ages of 2 and 3 (or so says my mom) but even then and for several years after that I would gag and heave and sometimes throw up when I pooped.

2.  Up until about 6 months ago we had to FORCE Mini Me to take his own pull-up to the trash.  He couldn’t stand the idea of touching it.  And, if it was poopy, he would really squawk.

3.  Once I was going to make him clean himself up.  I got his pull-up off of him while he was standing and then tried to hand him the wipes.  He started to gag and cry.  He wouldn’t even touch the wipe.  He will use the wipes to wash his hands and face but that day, he was not even going to try to wipe with that wipe.

4.  Ditto Boy potty trained a few months after he turned 3 and then it was maybe another month or so before he would poop in the potty.  But, once he started pooping in the potty, he has NEVER EVER NEVER NEVER NEVER once asked me to wipe his butt.

5.  It makes me so sick that I have even called my mom to come to my house to change one of the kids if she was home and I didn’t think I was going to be able to handle it.  And, Mini Me knows this.  I am certain that he holds his bowl movements until his dad gets home.

6.  I puked once when I was pregnant with Mini Me while someone changed a poopy diaper on Ditto Boy in the other end of the house.

7.  When someone asks Mini Me a question regarding the potty, he bows his head, hides and refuses to say one word.  Not just strangers, but my husband and I cannot get an answer out of him either.  NOTHING.

Ok, so there’s the potty issues in a nutshell.  If it were you, knowing just that information, what would you do?

To Be Continued…………

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